I'm listening to it right now but I can't believe you two liked Death to Smoochy. Then again, I might like it if I watch it again.

HIS NAME IS NOT EDWARD NORTON JUNIOR!!!! ONE OF THE GREATEST ACTORS OF OUR GENERATION ... AND JOHN, CMON, YOU GOTTA KNOW HIS NAME. HE AIN'T ROBERT DOWNEY!!!

1) Worse, Koko. John got his Ed Norton movies mixed up. But all that proves is that the podcasts are unscripted, and John (and Doug) are not right all the time.

*The pic with Brando & DeNiro was "The Score"

*The pic where he played a (supposedly) mentally unstable guy: 'Primal Fear'
Movie which he stunk to high heaven: Red Dragon.

As for 'Death To Smoochy', this isn't the first time I have heard how...Routh... I have heard how great this film is. I seen the film years ago, and I couldn't figure out why critics beat up on the film. Worse, I don't know why audiences avoided it. It's one of those films where you hear all sorts of horrible things abut, but you rebel and give it a chance.

Personally, I think it was the fault of the studio at least in part. There are some studios that noawadays will just kill a picture by not giving it any support.

2) John's right about the theatres. However, here down south (Which in Canada means Michigan, USA) my local theatre squeezes in at least three showings. I also think that 'Kong' will hang around theatres well after the new year, and, folks will not wait for DVD, but simply wait for the extra hour of Kong next Christmas :)

3) Having been a fan of 'Miami Vice' I was looking forward to it until my favorite director cast Colin Farrell. I'll still see the film, but I sort of wished Mann would revisit the better TV show..."Crime Story". Or someone decides to bring the Canadian cop show from the late 80's, "Night Heat" (which I liked better than Vice).

4) The Magnum thing was a false alarm earlier this year, as it was "Hawaii 5.0" that was being scouted, until that got shot down. There was something regarding Magnum re-enlisting in the Navy al la Tom Clancy, I think, but that also was turned down. 'Sides, now with 'Equalizer' next on the list, it's time to stop the madness.

5) The Poseidon. Always liked Kurt Russell. Great actor who never gets as much respect/attention that he should have. Hell, I even liked him in 'Miarcle". But I don't know about this. The competing TV movie production just aired on NBC to dismal ratings.

But Wolfgang Petersen helmed 'Das Boot' so this is up his alley, in a way. Also, talk 'Troy' all you want, but I talk 'The Neverending Story' and 'In The Line Of Fire'.

-Sealer out

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I would go to the theaters for a Magnum flick, maybe we could get Owen Wilson or his brother for the lead and have Jack Black or Bernie Mac (he sure could fit as the original guy's son) as helicopter pilot.
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i like Death to Smoochy too, but I'd only give it a 7/10, tops. it has its flaws.

when it came out, the critics blasted it because it had nothing to do with anything. they took it so seriously, like it was a satire of the power of Barney/Elmo or something, when its just a goofy story. I don't know what they expected from it....

A couple of comments regarding this show....
First, if Kurt Russell was playing Snake Pliskin in The Poseidon Adventure, I'd be all for it. Anybody who doesn't want to follow him up to the surface, he just shoots.
As for Tom Selleck, yeah, he wears a mean mustache, but no one can touch Sam Elliott and his mustache.

Sorry John, but your argument on Kong just doesn't hold up. It assumes tons of variables are constants. The biggest variable is the quality of movie. Chopping a long film down can make it better in some cases, worse in others. For your "math" to work, you at least have to *assume* equal or better.

Also, I saw Death to Smoochie when it was a new release on DVD and absolutely loved it. I never realized it received bad reviews.

Hey there Hap,

Yeah, I just loved Smoochie too. I'm still shocked at the bad reviews.

On the issue of the Kong thing. How do my arguments not hold up??? Are you saying I was incorect when saying todays films have to go against 3x the amount of weekly new openings?

Are you saying my figures of an average of 46% drop in boxoffice per week was off? (Up from 31% in 1997... and number that has consistently gone up every single year?)

Are you saying I was wrong when I said the vast majority of movies make over half of their money in the first 2 weeks of release?

Are you saying I was wrong when I contested that, all other things being equal, a film on 10 screens with 20 showings would stand to make more than a film on 10 screen with 10 showings in it's first week?

As I said on the show... Kong will make HUGE money. No doubt. All I'm suggesting is that a slightly shorter KONG (And I saw it the other day... a Kong with 30 mintutes taken out of the begining would have made for a better movie)would stand to earn more. That's all. I'm not saying it SHOULD be shorter.

You raise good points... keep the discussion going.

cheers!

~John

HEY GUYS!
ONE OF THE BEST AUDIO EDITIONS YOU'VE EVER HAD!

You convinced me to give Death to Smoochy another chance. I hated it in the theater.

You researched your info and it paid off to make your point. Plus it was an interesting discussion. Interesting facts I never thought of (like how many films released in a year). Good work.

DARREN - You're right, the film with DeNiro is "The Score." But the film in which Ed Norton plays the retard is also "The Score." He pretends to have split personalities in Primal Fear.

-Drewbacca
www.moviepatron.com

Yeah. You're right Drew. I got my Ed Norton movies screwed up. He pretended to have split personalities in Primal Fear; he pretended to be retarded in the Score.

Here's your quote from the comments on the original article:

It's just simple math... if the movie could have twice the showings in the same period of time, then it would make MORE.

It's simple economics, supply does not necessarily change demand. All of your research is interesting but does not prove the relationship between more showings and making more money. It also failed to address a possible quality shift in the movie if cut to a shorter run time. Of course, today we know that *you* feel it could lose 30 minutes and be better for it, but that's your opinion and may or may not reflect the broader market.

Also notice that in the quote I've placed here, you said "WOULD make more" whereas above you said "STAND to make more". Of course the movie would have the potential to make more if it was shorter. Nobody would dispute that. My point is that there are too many variables involved to make a concrete statement that the movie *would* make more.