Venom Movie
It looks like the worst part of Spiderman 3 is going to be getting his own standalone film. We get the scoop from our friends at IESB:
Venom fans rejoice, Marvel is moving forward with a new stand alone film, yep you heard right, Venom is coming back to the big screen. We’ve confirmed that “the studio” has met recently with several “A list writers” about a spin-off film.
Eight years ago, New Line Cinema held the theatrical rights to Venom. Since then, the rights have reverted back Marvel. But does Sony have complete control over the character since he was a part of Spidey 3 or does Marvel control the rights to the character with Sony only having distribution rights? We have to assume that since there is movement and there has been recent meetings with writers this property must belong to Marvel since they have made an interim agreement with the WGA and proceed to develop projects during the current strike. Either way, one thing is for certain, Venom will get a second shot at the big screen.
Venom sucked in Spiderman 3, I am not a huge fan of Venom but I know a lot of people that are; and I felt very sorry for them. Venom was a joke, horribly mis-cast, poorly executed and I try my best to forget everything about him in that movie. I sincerely hope that they do not use Spiderman 3 as the platform in which to launch him into his own film.
I do not think anyone on earth wants to see Topher Grace as Venom again; but I would guess that they would have to, unless they throw continuity out the window (and in this case - I would be fine with that). If Venom is going to have his own standalone film, does that mean that they are going to make him a hero, or just have a villain centric super hero film? I do not want to see Venom fighting crime, I want to see him fighting Spiderman and wreaking havoc upon the cities of earth.
I am not thrilled at this news. I am uncertain how they can have this character branch out - when he had such a horrible introduction. It would also be strange if they pretended Spiderman 3 never happened. You need to have Venom and Spiderman tie in together, it’s just the way it has to be. If they tie it in - I will be disappointed, if they don’t - I will be disappointed. This seems like a no win situation to me. What do you guys think?
1. Gordon Shumway replies at 4th February 2008, 2:30 pm :
seems pointless, for me hes not worth all the confusion this would cause.
2. CW05 replies at 4th February 2008, 2:31 pm :
As long as they replace Topher Grace, it’ll be a better movie than Spider-Man 3.
3. Colin replies at 4th February 2008, 2:33 pm :
I think they should, as an apology to all Venom fans out there for how ridiculous a job they done in Spiderman 3.
Get rid of Topher Grace, STOP pulling his face back to reveal Eddie Brock and forget Spiderman 3.
4. Phil Gee replies at 4th February 2008, 2:38 pm :
Well my little brother has always wanted to see Carnage in a movie (the character i mean) so if we have him versus Venom in a spin off film, he’ll certainly see it.
Not me though. The only thing that ever interested me about Venom was his origin, which was screwed up royally in Spider-man 3.
5. lucky replies at 4th February 2008, 2:42 pm :
hey guys
wats going on with the hulk promotion ??
Relese date june 13 (4 more months) and no sign of trailer ???
Not even a teaser. if they are saying that its going to be different then the first one then they should star marketing it furiosily
Are they going to mess it up again….!!!!
6. Kevin replies at 4th February 2008, 2:59 pm :
Gay
7. John replies at 4th February 2008, 2:59 pm :
Hey Lucky,
You answered your own question really. It’s still over 4 months away. No need to start heavy marketing yet. Give them another month.
If you start marketing too early… like Iron Man, you either have to start showing too much stuff as you get closer to the release date… or you just end up releasing more stuff that looks exactly the same as the previous stuff you’ve already released.
8. DJ Machismo replies at 4th February 2008, 3:00 pm :
I have to admit, I would certainly see this film if its made.
9. NYCKING87 replies at 4th February 2008, 3:04 pm :
Hey, if the studios want to go ahead and make a spinoff film with VENOM, they can go right ahead and do it. However, though I didn’t necessarily mind Topher Grace’s portrayal of VENOM, I think someone who fit’s the role better needs to be casted. GO FOR IT MARVEL!!
10. Brandon replies at 4th February 2008, 3:08 pm :
I’m one of the few readers here that actually liked Spider-Man 3 (granted, its no Batman Begins..but it was enjoyable).
I don’t think this film really needs to be made as Venom was CLEARLY killed at the end of Spider-Man 3. I don’t understand where they’re going with this. However, this is a comic book movie and in comic books, people have been brought back to life on more than one occasion.
11. T-Dog replies at 4th February 2008, 3:40 pm :
Bad idea! It’s like do a pirates of the Caribbean spin off on Kiera Knightleys character. I’ve had infected scrotum’s that have been more exciting than this news.
12. Koko replies at 4th February 2008, 3:40 pm :
I actually didn’t mind Topher Grace in Spidey 3. I thought the introduction of Venom was actually one of the better parts of a piece of shit movie. It’s just a shame that it came about 90 minutes too late.
I just wish Topher Grace would stop calling himself Topher. His is CHRISTOPHER. Fuckin Douchebag.
13. Darren J Seeley replies at 4th February 2008, 3:41 pm :
Ah, Brandon, but was Venom really killed? If he sampled Sandman he could “pull himself together”, there was a bit of surving goo in Connors lab….
Now before anyone thinks I’m all eager for a Venom Lethal Protector film the answer is a flat out no. I would not mind if there was, I’d hope he fights Carnage if he did. But…NO.
I’d rather prefer that Brock and/or Venom survive (if truly needed) for SpiderMan 4, and simply be on the sidelines, kind of like building up strength, advantage, becoming more deadly and powerful. Waits for Spidey to mess up. Makes his moves. So on.
But if *if* this Venom flick comes to pass, then Spider-Man 3 becomes even more worse than ever before. I didn’t hate the third film. I didn’t really love it either. The problem is this news adds wieght to the notion that Venom should have only been “teased” in Spider-Man 3. As Harry bows out, the new conflict involves Brock and Venom. Venom didn’t have a huge impact and not fully realized (might has well kept the Vulture-or better yet, JUST keep Goblin II and Sandman, the latter who was underused due to Venom’s Warholian 15 minutes of fame) and nearly 80% of the marketing was focused on Venom!
At the end of Spider-Man 2, we were teased with the possibilty of Goblin II. Would it have been such a crime to tease the viewer with a possible Venom at the end of 3?
Spider-Man 3 is now cheapened more than it needs to be. In fact, Doug. I’m going to second you here!
With love to Marvel…so much work at expanding the universe. So much time in redos and retcons. So Venom-in all his white spider emblem and drool glory- shows up in NYC. Fights Carnage….and a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man isn’t going to notice?
What’s next? Sandman pardoned and joins up with Silver Sable and Wild Pack?
14. Santi954 replies at 4th February 2008, 3:43 pm :
He was an Anti-Hero in the 90’s comics because even though he hates Spider-Man and would not mind seeing him dead everyone else was innocent to him It still did not mean he was being heroric about it. Who knows either way weather its a good premise or a bad one I would probably see it anyways since I’m a Venom fan:P
15. bryan replies at 4th February 2008, 3:51 pm :
Venom happens to be my favorite marvel charactor. but they really fucked him up whith the casting and look because the venom i know is fucking big. so i would have been phsyced but since they screwd up i relly couldn’t care.
16. kanthan replies at 4th February 2008, 4:03 pm :
I would love to see this film but it would definatley have to take a dark turn venom on his own is an anti-hero if he saved someone he would certainly eat the brain of the villain. I think they could make an awesome dark venom movie.
17. kanthan replies at 4th February 2008, 4:05 pm :
I just wanna hear him say in a deap voice not fucking formans voice “We are venomm” with all that tounge business.
18. Rmags replies at 4th February 2008, 4:13 pm :
I would be perfectly fine if they ignored Spidey 3, however, I’m not so sure that they would do that.
It still doesn’t seem so far off to ignore spiderman 3, maybe even an Ang Lee Hulk type of thing where it’s a little deep but not TOO deep so that we don’t see a lot of action. Ang Lee’s Hulk wasn’t necessarily a hero, more a guy with a shitty problem, so the venom could be a guy with an even shittier problem and i think it would work.
19. Jeff replies at 4th February 2008, 4:31 pm :
One word…Carnage.
20. DarkKinger replies at 4th February 2008, 4:41 pm :
I really don’t know about this. I wanted to like Spider-Man 3, but as soon as Venom died, it really brought the whole thing down, and there was already enough I had to endure. So, I really don’t know about this. I am looking forward to hear more on today’s podcast.
21. Mozzerino replies at 4th February 2008, 4:57 pm :
I’m not interested in a stand-alone VENOM-Movie in the slightest.
22. The Other James Taylor replies at 4th February 2008, 5:10 pm :
Personally, I thought that Venom and Willem Dafoe’s cameo were the ONLY good things about Spider-Man 3. Venom should have been at least 3/4 of that movie’s focus. A movie of his own would be better than the 3 Spider-Man movies combined in my honest opinion.
23. Dalamar replies at 4th February 2008, 5:18 pm :
yeh I agree they butchered the venom character in Spidey 3,
24. ALFREDO replies at 4th February 2008, 8:24 pm :
Okay everybody Spiderman 3 sucked ass. Less then 30 mins of Venom in a nearly 3 hr movie is insulting to say the least. The least they could do make a B movie about the character everybody wanted to see in the first place. This is going to be as good Catowman. (I hope I’m wrong.)
25. Klendathu replies at 4th February 2008, 8:40 pm :
Halle Berry as Venom.
Here’s what they need to do
Step 1: retcon his death in Spidey 3, while we’re at it, retcon Spidey 3.
Step 2: 3 servings of roids a day for Topher, if not, recast.
Step 3: Ah fuck it, I can’t think of a way this might work. I mean, I could picture a whole “Adventures of Venom” (think less upbeat, though), but Venom’s primary motivation is their hate for Spider-Man.
26. Mr.T-Man replies at 4th February 2008, 8:50 pm :
It wasn’t Topher Grace’s fault for spiderman 3 but think about how much money he’d get for doing that? I thought he was miscast but i dont hate the guy. He atleast got a few million and apparently worked out for a long time for the role. other than the hating fans topher got money and muscles from the money. Win/Win. but if they were to make a venom movie less face more venom. they should’nt have even bothered putting venom in spiderman 3, they could have just introduced him and left him hanging instead of ruining him.
27. bjon86 replies at 5th February 2008, 12:09 am :
this is a shitty idea.
28. leeloo replies at 5th February 2008, 5:44 am :
marvel has already done the whole glut the market idea before.
29. Ransom replies at 5th February 2008, 6:46 am :
I think they could pull off a movie about Venum and it could rule, but more than likely it will be butchered like Spidey 3.
If they were to do it, they would have to pretend like the piece of shit garbage Spidey 3 didn’t exist and have a new origin story with a few Spidey cameos.
30. Ransom replies at 5th February 2008, 7:11 am :
*Venom
31. Kryptonite replies at 5th February 2008, 7:54 am :
They wouldn’t be throwing continuity out the window by replacing Topher Grace. In the comics, Eddie Brock is no longer Venom-Mac Gargan (formerly the Scorpion) is now a bad-ass version of Venom. We get a better version of Venom, the geeks like the adherence to continuity….everybody wins!
32. Jukebox73 replies at 5th February 2008, 9:09 am :
Venom sucks. His character ALWAYS sucked. Todd Mikhdickface sucks, his spiderman stories sucked. Please don’t make this movie. If you like Venom you’re a dumbass.
33. Erik Schubach replies at 5th February 2008, 1:31 pm :
I don’t think I could stomach watching the Venom movie if he is to be a hero. Might as well throw the entire mythos of the character right out the window. It was bad enough that Spiderman can shoot webs out of his arms without his web shooters.
A major part of the Spiderman character was the fact that he was a genius which was demonstrated by his ability to build his web shooters.
So now if they ruin Venom as well, you might as well pretend that Marvel universe never existed.
34. dic4444 replies at 5th February 2008, 3:45 pm :
damn it venom is my favorite marvel character i;m like the biggest fan and once i herd the news that he was going to get his own movie i was the happiest i had been in awhile because in spider man 3 the fucked up his character i was against Topher grace as venom from the start of the production but now ive herd some of sennse this movie most likely will suck but for the record there are comic stories of him not being involved with spider man but him being an antihero sort of like the punisher so that might be interseting 2 see
35. AB replies at 5th February 2008, 9:38 pm :
im looking foward to this really venom movie, because the last one was a hell hole. meaning the spiderman 3.
5 minutes, venom was in the movie spiderman greatest enemy was in it so freaking short…. i better stop before i go on a rant.
36. LORcin25 replies at 6th February 2008, 11:28 am :
Make it true to the comic and I’m in. Eddie Brock is NOT a scrawny geeky looking guy. Terrible casting.
37. Packmn87 replies at 8th February 2008, 8:11 am :
I would think that it would be difficult to focus an entire film on Venom, solely because he’s a villain and tied to close to Spidey, assuming Spider-Man wouldn’t be a major role in the film. In terms of casting I felt Topher was just fine because in some of the Spider-Man comics, like Ultimate Spider-Man, Eddie Brock was a sort of doppleganger of Peter. And yes his mask did retract back to show his face sometimes when talked. So they were true to the comics in that sense. I just disagreed with leaving him until the very end just to get blown up, also I thought they should have made him a bit more bulkier like in the comics. The movie can be done, but not without difficulty.
(Praying they don’t blow Spider-Man 4)
38. SpideyFan replies at 8th February 2008, 11:58 pm :
Raimi is the one that destroyed Venom. Stop blaming Topher Grace, who played a great role for what he was given.
The “Raimi Venom” was a movie monster, not VENOM as we know him.
If this movie truly retells the Venom story and introduces him in a way that makes sense and Spidey makes an appearance, it would be incredible.
BUT PLEASE BASE IT ON THE MCFARLANE STORYLINE! NOT THE ULTIMATE VERSION WHICH SUCKS DONKEY COCK!
39. MINIDOT replies at 9th February 2008, 3:09 pm :
I wish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
40. Obby replies at 10th February 2008, 8:04 am :
Well lets see here people dont want to see him fight crime yet in the comic he did fight some crime (Carnage hello ppl!!!) if you are goin to put Venom in a movie dont do it toward spiderman its not even his arch enemy! CARNAGE IS HIS ENEMY spiderman just gets in venoms way thats all…Carnage is who he is swarn to go after y do you think spidey and venom joined forces against carnage duh…thats because Carnage is his arch nemisis
41. MacDaddyOfJustice replies at 13th February 2008, 2:22 pm :
The director of the Spider-Man movies said he doesn’t like Venom at ALL. He hates Carnage and Venom, but since Venom was so popular, he just put him in the film. He didn’t give a shit about Venom a all. hat’s why Venom sucked in the movie. In the series he’s one of the most ruthless villains ever. So, hopefully whoever makes this Venom movie actually likes the character. And actually TAKES THE TIME to make it perfect.
42. Jeanette replies at 16th February 2008, 8:42 pm :
Spider-man is Venom’s arch enemy Obby. Peter rejected the symbiote and destroyed Brock’s journalism career. Of course the symbiote was drinking blood and Brock accused Spider-man of murders he didn’t commit, but why let reality ruin a good delusion.
the main reason Venom doesn’t work in a movie is that his orgin is too long. They replaced the secret war with a meteor coincidentally falling in range of a super hero. Peters months of nightmares and suspicions were replaced with a dance number. Still, Venom took so long to explain that he could only appear in 20 minutes of the film.
Maybe now that his orgin is out of the way they can do a descent Venom movie. suppose Brock was so badly injured in Spider-man 3 that he needs the symbiote to survive. The movie begins from the point of view of a detective investigating Brocks disapearance from the hospital. We don’t want to over expose Venom. Eddie Brock is living on the streets. At one point the detective gives him change, not knowing who Brock is. The detective says something that inspires Eddie to start targeting criminals. Brock sees Cletus Kasady being beaten and rescues him. He naively thinks Kasady is being mugged when Kasady is actually being lyched for his own crimes. Somehow Kasady is infected with the symbiotes spawn. Soon Carnage appears. In the middle of the movie the dynamic is changed when Brock abducts the detective and threatens to eat her spleen if she doesn’t help him find Carnage. The detective realizes that they are both monsters but figures she can uses Eddies delusions of heroism to her advantage. Naturally the movie ends with mega monster fight between Venom and Carnage.